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		<title>By: Gaylord Dials</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-1172</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hiya, I was reading an additional thing about this on one particular web site. Helpful. Your perspective on it can be diametrically contradicted from what I read earlier. I’m nevertheless pondering with the opposite items of view, but I’m leaning to a genuinely incredibly good extent toward yours. And irrespective, that is what’s so perfect about modern evening democracy and also the marketplace of ideas on the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya, I was reading an additional thing about this on one particular web site. Helpful. Your perspective on it can be diametrically contradicted from what I read earlier. I’m nevertheless pondering with the opposite items of view, but I’m leaning to a genuinely incredibly good extent toward yours. And irrespective, that is what’s so perfect about modern evening democracy and also the marketplace of ideas on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathiasen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 01:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hoffses</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kenneth</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-567</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a terribly good article, I am mainly a flex dev but I\&#039;m looking at anything RIA so I\&#039;m up for learning Silverlight (hence the visit to this site). So sure you need people that will get on the Silverlight bandwagon to advertise it and that’s good.  The more choices the better, but come on there are so many general claims in your post that it’s just not accurate.
I think any Silverlight enthusiast should just stick to what they know (unless they happen to know flash inside out) and proclaim the wonders of Silverlight and not try to put down something they either don’t know 100% or just wish to put down.
Both technologies have there +ve values, so can we not just talk about the positives, make for a much more informative read.

Things like your quote that Silverlight will be installed as standard on windows 7! Not likely, considering IE will not be bundled with windows 7 (this has been confirmed for the European version – not 100% sure about others) due to monopoly issues, Silverlight most certainly isn’t going to be installed. I’ve seen various performance charts and depending on what slant they wish to show will have the various technology at the top of the chart.

You say XAML has ‘awesome binding’ (dubious from what I’ve read on other Silverlight sites – but I don’t know enough about SL so I’m not sure), but if you knew anything about MXML and actionscript 3 it has binding that works (maybe it’s awesome, maybe its great? But I know it just works when I need it to). Adobe ‘hacks’ codecs, well if that’s a professional statement as an evangelist then I certainly would not invite you to talk about Silverlight, keep it factual. 

Having a quick scan through some of the posts, flash player will play AS1, AS2 and AS3 code in the same browser and I can code in all versions using flexbuilder or CS3/CS4 so no need for separate environments! Actually if your project uses both AS2 &amp; AS3 then it will be run in 2 separate threads. Which brings me onto multithreading.  You can use pixelbender to use as many cores as your processor has in order to manipulate numbers/graphics.

You should also check out flash catalyst if you wish to compare Silverlight’s developer/designer workflow with Adobe’s range for an accurate comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a terribly good article, I am mainly a flex dev but I\&#8217;m looking at anything RIA so I\&#8217;m up for learning Silverlight (hence the visit to this site). So sure you need people that will get on the Silverlight bandwagon to advertise it and that’s good.  The more choices the better, but come on there are so many general claims in your post that it’s just not accurate.<br />
I think any Silverlight enthusiast should just stick to what they know (unless they happen to know flash inside out) and proclaim the wonders of Silverlight and not try to put down something they either don’t know 100% or just wish to put down.<br />
Both technologies have there +ve values, so can we not just talk about the positives, make for a much more informative read.</p>
<p>Things like your quote that Silverlight will be installed as standard on windows 7! Not likely, considering IE will not be bundled with windows 7 (this has been confirmed for the European version – not 100% sure about others) due to monopoly issues, Silverlight most certainly isn’t going to be installed. I’ve seen various performance charts and depending on what slant they wish to show will have the various technology at the top of the chart.</p>
<p>You say XAML has ‘awesome binding’ (dubious from what I’ve read on other Silverlight sites – but I don’t know enough about SL so I’m not sure), but if you knew anything about MXML and actionscript 3 it has binding that works (maybe it’s awesome, maybe its great? But I know it just works when I need it to). Adobe ‘hacks’ codecs, well if that’s a professional statement as an evangelist then I certainly would not invite you to talk about Silverlight, keep it factual. </p>
<p>Having a quick scan through some of the posts, flash player will play AS1, AS2 and AS3 code in the same browser and I can code in all versions using flexbuilder or CS3/CS4 so no need for separate environments! Actually if your project uses both AS2 &amp; AS3 then it will be run in 2 separate threads. Which brings me onto multithreading.  You can use pixelbender to use as many cores as your processor has in order to manipulate numbers/graphics.</p>
<p>You should also check out flash catalyst if you wish to compare Silverlight’s developer/designer workflow with Adobe’s range for an accurate comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hansford</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-428</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the post Jordan. It&#039;s a shame I didn&#039;t come across this several weeks ago when it was written. I just lost a technology fight between Flash and Silverlight. One of my main arguments for Silverlight was that I was already more than half way there, being familiar with .NET.

One of the problems I&#039;m having with Flash / Flex is that to run Flash Paper two separate Flash environments are needed - one for ActionScript 2 and one for ActionScript 3! Nuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Jordan. It&#8217;s a shame I didn&#8217;t come across this several weeks ago when it was written. I just lost a technology fight between Flash and Silverlight. One of my main arguments for Silverlight was that I was already more than half way there, being familiar with .NET.</p>
<p>One of the problems I&#8217;m having with Flash / Flex is that to run Flash Paper two separate Flash environments are needed &#8211; one for ActionScript 2 and one for ActionScript 3! Nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Kerman</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip Kerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see anything in the designer/developer workflow or Flash IDE that would make someone want to stick to AS2.  Similarly, everyone I know who&#039;s made the switch KNOWS it&#039;s way better.

Not hard to out-do AJAX is it?

I hear you about how VS is a better IDE though I haven&#039;t dug into it.  I don&#039;t believe anyone has a code hint template for it for AS yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything in the designer/developer workflow or Flash IDE that would make someone want to stick to AS2.  Similarly, everyone I know who&#8217;s made the switch KNOWS it&#8217;s way better.</p>
<p>Not hard to out-do AJAX is it?</p>
<p>I hear you about how VS is a better IDE though I haven&#8217;t dug into it.  I don&#8217;t believe anyone has a code hint template for it for AS yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Lixin</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lixin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Philip, 

I don&#039;t know how to describe those design people more accurately for you but I want to point out that they are mainly working in I.T. and media industry. That&#039;s why they also do UI programming. For me it is easy to understand that they extend their skills to include coding for standing a better position in the competition. 

Also versions of ActionScript have never been a big problem to them, just like what I said before, the problem is on the developer/designer workflow that they think it is so inefficient that they&#039;d rather choose to stick on Flash IDE with AS2 for the projects they are doing.

For those projects I am doing, it is a different story. Those are mission critical applications and they require very good realtime performance and my clients also take quick delivery very seriously. We initially develop them in WinForm and then WPF. I also developed some pure Web front-ends in AJAX for my clients becuase WinForm and WPF are too heavy. The purpose for introducing Silverlight into developemnt is that not only Silverlight has almost the same performance and coding productivity as WPF and is much richer than AJAX, but it also helps a great deal on release deployment. Namely almost the same &quot;reach&quot; as AJAX.

My conclusion is, Silverlight really fills a gap in the ecosystem of Microsoft products.

I did try to learn and use Flex Builder and AS2/MXML myself before we had Silverlight as a viable solution. Of course I didn&#039;t dig into Flex in depth before I gave up the learning. The biggest difference between Visual Studio and Flex Builder is that Flex Builder is only front-end development IDE. You can try Visual Studio (90 day trial or free Visual Studio Express) and you will understand the difference.

I didn&#039;t try to use other free stuff because my clients are happy to pay for tooling as they think the sooner we deliver the software, the more money they can make more quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Philip, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to describe those design people more accurately for you but I want to point out that they are mainly working in I.T. and media industry. That&#8217;s why they also do UI programming. For me it is easy to understand that they extend their skills to include coding for standing a better position in the competition. </p>
<p>Also versions of ActionScript have never been a big problem to them, just like what I said before, the problem is on the developer/designer workflow that they think it is so inefficient that they&#8217;d rather choose to stick on Flash IDE with AS2 for the projects they are doing.</p>
<p>For those projects I am doing, it is a different story. Those are mission critical applications and they require very good realtime performance and my clients also take quick delivery very seriously. We initially develop them in WinForm and then WPF. I also developed some pure Web front-ends in AJAX for my clients becuase WinForm and WPF are too heavy. The purpose for introducing Silverlight into developemnt is that not only Silverlight has almost the same performance and coding productivity as WPF and is much richer than AJAX, but it also helps a great deal on release deployment. Namely almost the same &#8220;reach&#8221; as AJAX.</p>
<p>My conclusion is, Silverlight really fills a gap in the ecosystem of Microsoft products.</p>
<p>I did try to learn and use Flex Builder and AS2/MXML myself before we had Silverlight as a viable solution. Of course I didn&#8217;t dig into Flex in depth before I gave up the learning. The biggest difference between Visual Studio and Flex Builder is that Flex Builder is only front-end development IDE. You can try Visual Studio (90 day trial or free Visual Studio Express) and you will understand the difference.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t try to use other free stuff because my clients are happy to pay for tooling as they think the sooner we deliver the software, the more money they can make more quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Watson</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a fantastic article. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic article. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chris -&gt; Sorry you are correct. Correction to Expression Packs: Only the premium packs have Expression Blend. VSTS + Premium has Expression Studio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris -&gt; Sorry you are correct. Correction to Expression Packs: Only the premium packs have Expression Blend. VSTS + Premium has Expression Studio.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Kerman</title>
		<link>http://jakkaj.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/evangelising-silverlight/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip Kerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something I haven&#039;t mentioned: you can use Flex Builder (as well as other free of for-money IDEs) to edit ActionScript. So, you can do very advanced very clean &quot;real programming&quot; jobs with just ActionScript (no Flex framework necessary).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I haven&#8217;t mentioned: you can use Flex Builder (as well as other free of for-money IDEs) to edit ActionScript. So, you can do very advanced very clean &#8220;real programming&#8221; jobs with just ActionScript (no Flex framework necessary).</p>
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